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Note: This entry is not meant to discourage anyone who might be thinking about getting into therapy. For there are many excellent and helpful therapists out there, and even the people complaining about them often said "while this therapist was awful, my current therapist is great!" But I am hoping to learn more about how to be better at my job, and knowing what not to do is very useful.

So, yesterday I spent some time Googling the phrase "terrible therapists" and seeing what I found. This list featured a number of the main ones that people mentioned, including the therapist:

*falling asleep during the session
*talking too much about him/herself, especially about his/her trauma
*touching the client and/or trying to make the relationship sexual
*showing up late
*taking phone calls or otherwise letting him/herself be distracted during session (worst story I found online: the therapist had locked her mother (who had Alzheimer's) in a car just outside her office, and watched her mother over the client's shoulder-- and at one point, ran out of the session to go sit in the car with her mother, who was trying to unlock the door. Dear GODS.)

Other things people mentioned in online discussion forums included the therapist:

*imposing his/her religious views on the client (whether Christians wanting the client to pray with them, or therapists who do things like "turned down the lights, lit some healing herb incense, and started to waft it around the room.")
*telling clients something along the lines of "cheer up, it's not so bad! You're young! At least you didn't get raped! You can get over these feelings if you put your mind to it!" etc. Which are sentiments which might be supportive if said with empathy-- but the way these people describe it, it sounds more like a denial of their pain or their right to their pain than an offering of hope for their eventually feeling better.
*sitting in silence, particularly at the beginning of the session (Interestingly, this is a technique which has often been recommended to me by supervisors. The idea is to let the client guide the session without the therapist's imposing his/her ideas. But I think that if you don't explain that that's what you're doing, and why, it just leads to people feeling socially awkward and uncomfortable, as many, many, many people on the forums complained about feeling).
*not giving advice/feedback to people who want it
*giving advice/feedback to people who don't want it
*giving bad advice, or overly simplistic advice ("imagine your anxiety as a piece of feces, and flush it away down your toilet! Now it's gone!") or advice that clearly won't work for this person
*seeming to not remember what the client told him/her about in previous sessions
*not recommending medication when it would be useful
*insisting on medication when it would not be useful, or to the exclusion of other treatments
*criticizing the client-- implying strongly that the client is in pain because there's something wrong with him/her, or because s/he is choosing to be
*refusing to work with a client who self-injures, or who will not sign a suicide contract (this is also something supervisors have recommended to me. It's in part a way to prevent liability, and to prevent therapist burn-out. Which are, like, worthwhile, but people on the forums seemed to find them really unempathetic.)
*not investigating possible medical causes of physical problems, but insisting that they are psychological
*insisting that s/he is right and the client is wrong
*seeming overly formal, distant, and/or anxious
*seeming to play "games" to make the client admit something, show anger, etc.


An overall theme I noticed is that a bad therapist is one who seems to not "get" you, and to not care about you-- whereas someone who honestly does care and understand can be forgiven lapses. Best example is therapists crying; some people praised their therapists for tearing up when the client talked about something really sad, as they felt that it meant the therapist was really with them, really empathized, cared and understood. Other people criticized their therapists for crying, as they felt this meant the therapist "had issues and could not listen to some one elses' in a professional manner"-- that the therapist was crying about his/her own pain, not the client's. Similarly, a therapist with good rapport can (and, I believe, often should) respectfully point out when a client's behavior is contributing to his/her situation-- but it must be done from a stance of "hey, person I care about and respect, want to hear about a way you could have more power and control and make your life better?" rather than "this is all your fault, and that's why I'm better and smarter than you." And a good therapist will usually know the client well enough to judge which way s/he will take it, and be sensitive to that.

But what else am I missing? What bad experiences have people had with therapists? What would you recommend a therapist do or never do?

--R

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Date: 2009-07-17 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alaria-lyon.livejournal.com
I saw a therapist a while ago, met once and did not return. It falls into the realm of imposing her own views on me. She informed me that the difficulties I was having was due to my son being in bed with my husband and I and that our first step needed to get him out. She apparently was not listening when I informed her that my issues predated my son by *at least* 6 years if not more.

My current therapist, whom I like, is somewhat psychotherapy based, and has been frustrating because rather than dealing with the anxiety on a more immediate basis first and then going into all the emotional stuff, is trying to dig around for the basis for the anxiety (and is not taking my word that the basis is physical and not psychological) and so has not helped me with the problem I went in for (but has helped me with other stuff).

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Date: 2009-07-17 04:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] navrins
Wow... that first batch are really impressively bad.

The second batch mostly sound like things that I could imagine working well in some situations, but backfiring badly in others... they mostly sound like well-meaning mistakes that an overworked or novice therapist might plausibly make and regret.

My first therapist seemed not to remember anything I had said to him previously by the next session. We basically had a first session three times, and then I gave up on him. My second one was much better.

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Date: 2009-07-17 07:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] navrins
...and I'm still failing to see how this could possibly discourage anyone thinking about getting into therapy.

I mean, when I see or hear about people doing a job badly, it makes me *want* to do that job so I can fill the need for it to be done well. Pretty nearly without regard for what job it is. I'm sure that isn't universal (what is?) but I'm having a hard time picturing the opposite reaction. "Some people do this badly, so I shouldn't try?" I dunno, maybe, but... eh.

Every profession has incompetents, charlatans, amateurs, and competent people who nevertheless screw up sometimes.

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Date: 2009-07-17 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiddledragon.livejournal.com
telling clients something along the lines of "cheer up, it's not so bad! You're young! At least you didn't get raped! You can get over these feelings if you put your mind to it!" etc. Which are sentiments which might be supportive if said with empathy-- but the way these people describe it, it sounds more like a denial of their pain or their right to their pain than an offering of hope for their eventually feeling better.

Similarly, I had a therapist that kept emphasizing how well my life was going, given what I had told her. Which is fine, to a degree. But I'd gone in with a fairly specific problem that didn't impact my life other than in specific but frequent situations. I knew my life was otherwise pretty great, but the way she phrased things made me feel like "my life is overall pretty great, but it would be significantly better if I could fix this thing now" was an inadequate reason for seeing a therapist.

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Date: 2009-07-17 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidfangurl.livejournal.com
I had the "sit in silence" therapist. Who I'm sure would have been fine with another person, but considering I'm the type who will talk about anything *but* themselves unless prompted, was totally not for me. There was a lot of mutual sitting in silence.

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Date: 2009-07-17 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strange-selkie.livejournal.com
No offense to present company, but talk therapists disgust me profoundly. I've never had a good one, and my best-managed state of emotional health evolved from me getting my Krazy Pillz straight from my primary care physician.

In childhood, when in therapy for pretty disturbing sexual trauma, my first therapist rebuked me for not wanting to reenact the thing with dolls, then suggested if I couldn't show it to her, it didn't happen. Twenty-five years later, I have the scars to prove it did, but I was too mortified to "reenact" the incidents, and moreover already perceptive enough to grasp that dolls aren't real and nothing can hurt them, so what's the point?

My second, court-appointed, vaguely qualified therapist (I was eight) was a postfeminist, Steiner-doll, herbal-obsessed loony who needed more therapy than she gave -- but did introduce me to Indian food and gazpacho, as she believed in taking sessions out of the office, and what can you do with a pathologically fearful child but go and eat somewhere? The problem with that particular therapist is that she instilled a feeling that it was Time For Me to Be Okay, and that Hoo Boy Had I Failed because I wasn't okay yet. I was just about walking without pain yet, and she said it was time to mooooove on and put it aaaaalll awaaaay.

In high school and college, therapy was mandated as a condition of pharmacological assistance, which I thought I might need considering my grandmother is on lithium, my uncle on Wellbutrin, and a couple of my aunts spent the seventies on Thorazine. I seemingly broke the bipolar mold in favor of unipolar depression with thwacking PTSD, but my therapist and pill psychologist bounced me from medicine to medicine without listening to me at all (and the therapist, in this case, had a reset button for each session -- it was as if nothing had happened at all last session, and she sat in silence while I squirmed and made awkward conversation and ate through half the session that way). At one point, the psychiatrist -- and I do wish I could remember his name, so as better to decry him on the Internets -- put me on a daring, new, powerful antipsychotic. It was like reducing my brain to a silent, cool, black, blank puddle and then dropping in a rock, where rock = ordinary everyday stimuli. It was the closest I had ever come to killing myself, and he kept me on it for a month, just to see.

So yeah. Um. You've entered a useless profession, and should rather had joined the Peace Corps.

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Date: 2009-07-17 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shei.livejournal.com
Reading this, I've realise I've had such good luck with my therapists. Well, I already knew they had been awesome but this proves it even more.

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Date: 2009-07-17 05:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zdenka
I'll email you.

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Date: 2009-07-17 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rax.livejournal.com
Replace "imposing religious views" with "imposing views." I've had therapists who were all "Well we all know that non-monogamy is bad so this relationship is just broken, you should break up." I've had therapists who were all "Well, the right way to handle problems like this is blah." The one I would call out by name if he hadn't retired was all "You need to dress like X, you don't even look like a woman. Why are you so aggressive?" For reals. So... yeah. It's not just religious views. It's values. I bet you we've had this conversation before though :)

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Date: 2009-07-17 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plasticsturgeon.livejournal.com
I'll add to the DON'T list:

--not showing up at all, and then not apologizing
--asking the client if she has a penis
--telling an 85-pound client who started fainting when put on a full dose of anti-anxiety meds that she's just "looking for attention"
--telling a client who says she needs to learn how to get organized that "you just want someone to run your life for you"
--making fun of the client with client's mother
--announcing client's personal business to client's relatives in the middle of a full waiting room
--asking the client, "Do you consider yourself a ho-mo-secs-u-al? And are you....overt?"
--FREUD

But of course you would never do that crap. So here's a DON'T list for otherwise reasonable, well-meaning therapists.

--I second whoever complained about the silent staring--I can't stand that. If a therapist says something, anything, I'll be able to bounce off it to something else, but if they just stare at me I'm like a deer in the headlights.
--Don't just keep asking, "Well, what do you want to do?" If they knew what they wanted to do they'd probably be doing it.
--Don't assume that someone of your race and class is from your culture. Don't assume that when someone from a different (sub)culture does x, that it means what it would mean coming from someone of your (sub)culture. Don't assume that the client's motives are what yours might be if you did x, or that they're the same motives that some other person from the client's group had for doing x.

The DO list:

--ask the client if what you're doing is working for them! I was startled when my current therapist first asked me that, but it makes sense.
--try not to be judgmental, but if you have feelings don't try to hide them. I'm so glad that my therapist makes faces and doesn't try to act like some kind of all-knowing domineering impassive oracle priestess.
--keep a balance between suggesting things and expecting the client to run things. They need to make their own choices but they also come to you for guidance and suggestions.
--ask lots of questions! I guess this goes with "don't be an impassive oracle"--I think they're afraid to ask too many questions, but how else are you going to learn what you need to know?
--take the general attitude that you and the client are both basically good people with valid opinions, but that you're sort of a...psychological mechanic. The client is bringing their psyche in because it's been having some problems, and you, the specialist, are having a look at it. Or maybe that's too one-sided...maybe you're like an occupational therapist who can help them find creative ways to do something they're having trouble doing? I guess what I'm trying to say is have an "I'm OK, You're OK" attitude, and take a practical approach.

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Date: 2009-07-17 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] popelizbet.livejournal.com
The worst therapists I ever had were shit because they didn't listen, mostly. They didn't ever address what we were doing there, what the goals were, how we were supposed to achieve them. They made assumptions. They talked about me in third person when I was present and speculated as to my motives instead of asking me what they were. They treated me like I was a lesser human being than they were. They didn't care what went on in that hour so long as BCBS paid them for it at the end.

Please don't do that to anyone else.

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Date: 2009-07-17 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] breadandroses.livejournal.com
emailing you.

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Date: 2009-07-17 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] halfspell.livejournal.com
Wow. This makes me realize how good my current therapist is. But then I don't know if it's that she changes her style from person to person or that she happens to fit me and it's luck. She did appear to be completely sympathetic and even offered anecdotes from her own life when they were applicable but then when she had something to say that I wouldn't like, she told it to me in a really respectful and really ... I guess nice? way. She's never cried with me, but she's always been respectful. I don't know. Respect the client, I guess?

I have had the type of therapist to throw pills at me and the type that told me depression shouldn't last for more than 3 months, tops, and that I should probably go the spiritual route and find God to help myself. Needless to say, I never went back to the second one.

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Date: 2009-07-18 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] susiesworld.livejournal.com
DO: occassionally give personal anecdotes that relate to the situation to show that you are human too and can understand, to a degree, what the person is going through.

DON'T: make it all about you

DO: Guide the conversation and pursue avenues that you see as important.

DON'T: insist that one avenue is the root cause of everything and insist on bringing it up all the time. Sometimes people aren't ready to go there, and other times they feel like they've been there and done that, but cannot articulate that they don't want to continue in that vein.

Obviously you wouldn't be the type to throw pills at a problem OR insist that it's just a moral weakness/character flaw on the part of the patient.

I have no other advice. Other than I always thought you'd make a great psychologist.

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Date: 2009-07-18 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfpilot06.livejournal.com
So, I saw a therapist recently briefly, and while I wouldn't say she was as terrible as the examples above, I didn't think she was a good therapist. She "hmm"ed sympathetically in the right places, and nodded in understanding, but I don't feel she really helped me figure out any of my problems. Any trying to understand my problems or to resolve them really started with me. After a few sessions, I was pretty much convinced she was an idiot an that I was paying her for nothing I couldn't do myself.

Also, the fact that from almost the first or second session, she was recommending antidepressants (which I had said I was not for, and which, at that point, wasn't really warranted - later, they were) made me really unhappy. I wanted to find more long-term solutions and also try to talk through my issues, not just drug myself into happiness unless there was no other solution. To me, that was like saying that she'd rather throw drugs at the problems than actually try to figure out why they existed.

For me, I wish I had a more interactive, engaging therapist who would ask questions when it was obvious there were deeper reasons, who made me really think, and then helped me figure out - with some guidance - a healthier way of thinking about things - not someone who just hmmed and hawed and nodded a lot. ;P

That's just me, but mostly I appreciate an intelligent therapist who actually contributes thoughts to the issues, listens, and also responds in a meaningful way.

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Date: 2009-07-20 01:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimmi-obadger.livejournal.com
Notable among the terrible therapists & psychs:
The one who didn't say anything, and just nodded silently like a fucking bobblehead doll. Sullen fourteen year old me said a whole lot of nothing back, and was eventually tossed out because there was supposedly nothing wrong with me.

The one who said that my interest in s/m meant i was suicidal.

The one who 1) didn't introduce herself to me at our first session, and when i asked if she was the doc, made a great production of showing me her id badge. This one also looked at her computer screen the entire time.

Things i've appreciated:
Making eye contact, unless i'm visibly uncomfortable with it, in which case, give me a bit of privacy.

Asking if it's okay to talk about a particular subject (answers range from "yes, but please direct the conversation" to "bring it up again in a month" to "fuck, no) and respecting the answer.

Showing concern/caring when warranted. Maybe it's just my own special brand of crazy, but if i tell a therapist that this session is the first time i've left the house in a week, and said therapist doesn't bat an eye, i'm going to wonder if maybe not leaving the house for days on end is normal and i'm just malingering.

a minor thing

Date: 2009-07-21 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kivrin.livejournal.com
One therapist I went to had a semi-basement office that tended to be dark, and she'd decorated with dark-wood bookshelves full of random knicknacks and stuff that were always dusty, and posters that were drooping off the walls. As it happened she was able to help me a lot, and I didn't think about the disorder at the time, but I do think a less-messy environment might have been helpful.
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