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Happy International Blog Against Racism Week!
So, I’m starting this with a caveat: the below is not meant to suggest that I don’t think it’s a good idea to talk about race, try to educate, confront racism, etc. On the contrary—I’m incredibly glad people do, because it’s made a major change in my life. My first year of graduate school, one of my professors showed us some very unsettling films and had us read several assumption-questioning papers ("Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack," etc.) It made me start to really question a lot of my beliefs about race, and it sent me to the internet, where I joined
ap_racism and read and wrote a lot of essays (yay
rachelmanija,
oyceter,
coffeeandink, and
yhlee), and generally spent about two years thinking. The result of which is that I’m much clearer about my views, much more comfortable addressing and working with race in my fiction and my practice (very good thing when you work with clients of color), feel much less guilty and more empowered, and am enthusiastically working for equality.
All of which is why I was a little taken aback by what happened when, at a dinner party yesterday, the question of race came up. I mentioned the idea of differentiating between “prejudice” and “racism,” where racism = prejudice + power. What interested me was that while many people had interesting things to say, one of the reactions was not to react to the idea itself, but, “That sounds a lot like the kind of internet-wankery that people get into on livejournal.” I replied that yeah, I and a lot of my friends on livejournal do talk about race a lot, and someone else said that this was all well and good, but that often, it seemed to fall into the “gotcha-game”—where discussions of racism became, not discussions of racism, but people trying to catch each other doing something wrong.
Which is frustrating. Because yeah, many white people do feel very guilty and defensive about our privilege, our attitudes about race, etc, so there is a fair amount of defensiveness\. But on the other hand, it’s totally true. Some discussions about race really do feel like the discussants are just trying to “win” by proving the other person stupid.
The problem with this, and the way to prevent it, seems to be one of clarifying one’s goals before starting the conversation. I can see five different reasons why people discuss race, particularly online, and I think they’re all worthwhile… but when they get conflated, things go downhill fast.
As far as I can see, anti-racism activists write about and discuss race in order to:
1. Work out our own ideas, or vent feelings. I’ve written a number of essays in my own journal, and had a number of conversations because I was trying to figure things out, or relate issues specifically to myself. It’s true that, obviously, I wouldn’t be writing a livejournal entry if I didn’t want people to read it, but it’s not directed at anyone else specifically, or with any real purpose beyond personal satisfaction, relief and self-understanding.
2. Be politically active. This is when we have a specific action we want people to take: sign this petition, write to your congress-critters, boycott this product, etc. It’s directed and focused, and we’re using our writing to increase the number of people taking this kind of action. It’s not usually opening up a debate (that happens, because people will argue anything, but it’s not the point).
3. Keep ourselves safe. This is when someone has said something to us that we find hurtful or offensive. Particularly by commenting in our journals, sending us email, etc. In which case, I see little reason to treat it differently from other kinds of harassment—the thing to do is to answer it however we see fit, ignore it, delete it, ban the person, cut the person, report the person, etc. There’s also the form of keeping ourselves safe which involves not going places where we know we’ll get hurt—not reading the journals of people who say offensive things if we're not up for being offended, or, if they’re people we have a relationship with, letting them know that we were upset and we’d really appreciate it if, out of consideration for us personally, they would cut it out.
4. Look for people being stupid for our own entertainment. On the other hand, sometimes we go and read people being racist because we want to. I’m not sure why we do this—why we click on the link that we know leads to ass-hattery. Maybe we enjoy having something to feel angry about, maybe we want to know the depths people can sink to, maybe we just like bolstering our self-esteem by feeling smug about being more enlightened than other people—I don’t know. But sometimes we do this, and sometimes we write about it, and I think it’s not the healthiest thing in the world as a regular diet, but sometimes it’s okay-- when we keep in mind that that’s what we’re doing.
But the tricky thing, the big hang-up of all this, is that people will throw all of those under the general subject of 5. Educating. Which is problematic, because I think educating (or, to put it more respectfully, arguing the anti-racist position) is very worthwhile (it worked for me)—but only when it’s done well. As I see it, the purpose is to present anti-racist ideas to people as clearly and convincingly as possible. It has to be done smoothly, in such a way that it slips past defenses to present a point of view that people may not have thought of before, such that their first reaction is “Oh, interesting—I never thought of that before!” not, “Shut up! I am not!” The former lets the person think the idea over and decide whether or not s/he agrees with it—the latter cuts off that possibility before the conversation’s started.
And for that reason, I think that if we are truly trying to change people's minds, we have to be non-confrontational. We have to use I-statements (“I hate having to worry about getting hassled by the cops,” “I wish there were more people who looked like me on TV,” “I don’t want to get served first when there’s a person of color standing in front of me in line,”), and listen to what the other person is saying as non-judgmentally as possible, and above all, express that we disagree with his/her ideas, not that we think s/he is a bad person. In other words, communication skills—they don’t stop being useful just because the subject is important.
And it’s worth noting that we don’t need to do these things for any of the other four purposes. When we’re not trying to educate, there’s no earthly reason to stifle feelings or ranting at all (even though people often do get defensive around anger, particularly white people around the anger of people of color—the same thing about avoiding places that make you feel too uncomfortable to be applies here, too. If someone is going to get upset about me being angry in my own space, that’s his/her look-out). A lot of the time, we aren’t intending to convince anyone of anything, and it’s unreasonable to expect us to spend all our time being presentable. If we're in a conversation where we don't care about what the other person thinks, or don't see any chance of our changing his/her mind, then we can say whatever we want, and it doesn't matter how we say it (beyond our own standards of polite).
But when we are trying to convince, people aren’t going to listen if they feel more attacked than valued. It’s all about relationship, I think. If you care about someone, because you feel affection or respect or both for him/her, you’re more likely to listen to what s/he says. If you don’t feel either of those things, then you’ll listen if it’s interesting, but you have no particular impetus to agree. Therefore, if we really want to change someone’s mind, we need to do something to interest him/her or to make him/her like us or respect us. It helps to have a previous positive relationship—people’s minds are more often changed by friends than by strangers. But in either case, it won’t work to just tell people they’re wrong without giving them a reason to care what we say.
This is all a little discouraging, and it makes the idea in some ways less fun—it feels really good to really zing someone in an argument. But there’s a lot that needs to change in order to reach racial equality, and in the end, I’d rather win the war than the flame-war.
--R
So, I’m starting this with a caveat: the below is not meant to suggest that I don’t think it’s a good idea to talk about race, try to educate, confront racism, etc. On the contrary—I’m incredibly glad people do, because it’s made a major change in my life. My first year of graduate school, one of my professors showed us some very unsettling films and had us read several assumption-questioning papers ("Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack," etc.) It made me start to really question a lot of my beliefs about race, and it sent me to the internet, where I joined
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All of which is why I was a little taken aback by what happened when, at a dinner party yesterday, the question of race came up. I mentioned the idea of differentiating between “prejudice” and “racism,” where racism = prejudice + power. What interested me was that while many people had interesting things to say, one of the reactions was not to react to the idea itself, but, “That sounds a lot like the kind of internet-wankery that people get into on livejournal.” I replied that yeah, I and a lot of my friends on livejournal do talk about race a lot, and someone else said that this was all well and good, but that often, it seemed to fall into the “gotcha-game”—where discussions of racism became, not discussions of racism, but people trying to catch each other doing something wrong.
Which is frustrating. Because yeah, many white people do feel very guilty and defensive about our privilege, our attitudes about race, etc, so there is a fair amount of defensiveness\. But on the other hand, it’s totally true. Some discussions about race really do feel like the discussants are just trying to “win” by proving the other person stupid.
The problem with this, and the way to prevent it, seems to be one of clarifying one’s goals before starting the conversation. I can see five different reasons why people discuss race, particularly online, and I think they’re all worthwhile… but when they get conflated, things go downhill fast.
As far as I can see, anti-racism activists write about and discuss race in order to:
1. Work out our own ideas, or vent feelings. I’ve written a number of essays in my own journal, and had a number of conversations because I was trying to figure things out, or relate issues specifically to myself. It’s true that, obviously, I wouldn’t be writing a livejournal entry if I didn’t want people to read it, but it’s not directed at anyone else specifically, or with any real purpose beyond personal satisfaction, relief and self-understanding.
2. Be politically active. This is when we have a specific action we want people to take: sign this petition, write to your congress-critters, boycott this product, etc. It’s directed and focused, and we’re using our writing to increase the number of people taking this kind of action. It’s not usually opening up a debate (that happens, because people will argue anything, but it’s not the point).
3. Keep ourselves safe. This is when someone has said something to us that we find hurtful or offensive. Particularly by commenting in our journals, sending us email, etc. In which case, I see little reason to treat it differently from other kinds of harassment—the thing to do is to answer it however we see fit, ignore it, delete it, ban the person, cut the person, report the person, etc. There’s also the form of keeping ourselves safe which involves not going places where we know we’ll get hurt—not reading the journals of people who say offensive things if we're not up for being offended, or, if they’re people we have a relationship with, letting them know that we were upset and we’d really appreciate it if, out of consideration for us personally, they would cut it out.
4. Look for people being stupid for our own entertainment. On the other hand, sometimes we go and read people being racist because we want to. I’m not sure why we do this—why we click on the link that we know leads to ass-hattery. Maybe we enjoy having something to feel angry about, maybe we want to know the depths people can sink to, maybe we just like bolstering our self-esteem by feeling smug about being more enlightened than other people—I don’t know. But sometimes we do this, and sometimes we write about it, and I think it’s not the healthiest thing in the world as a regular diet, but sometimes it’s okay-- when we keep in mind that that’s what we’re doing.
But the tricky thing, the big hang-up of all this, is that people will throw all of those under the general subject of 5. Educating. Which is problematic, because I think educating (or, to put it more respectfully, arguing the anti-racist position) is very worthwhile (it worked for me)—but only when it’s done well. As I see it, the purpose is to present anti-racist ideas to people as clearly and convincingly as possible. It has to be done smoothly, in such a way that it slips past defenses to present a point of view that people may not have thought of before, such that their first reaction is “Oh, interesting—I never thought of that before!” not, “Shut up! I am not!” The former lets the person think the idea over and decide whether or not s/he agrees with it—the latter cuts off that possibility before the conversation’s started.
And for that reason, I think that if we are truly trying to change people's minds, we have to be non-confrontational. We have to use I-statements (“I hate having to worry about getting hassled by the cops,” “I wish there were more people who looked like me on TV,” “I don’t want to get served first when there’s a person of color standing in front of me in line,”), and listen to what the other person is saying as non-judgmentally as possible, and above all, express that we disagree with his/her ideas, not that we think s/he is a bad person. In other words, communication skills—they don’t stop being useful just because the subject is important.
And it’s worth noting that we don’t need to do these things for any of the other four purposes. When we’re not trying to educate, there’s no earthly reason to stifle feelings or ranting at all (even though people often do get defensive around anger, particularly white people around the anger of people of color—the same thing about avoiding places that make you feel too uncomfortable to be applies here, too. If someone is going to get upset about me being angry in my own space, that’s his/her look-out). A lot of the time, we aren’t intending to convince anyone of anything, and it’s unreasonable to expect us to spend all our time being presentable. If we're in a conversation where we don't care about what the other person thinks, or don't see any chance of our changing his/her mind, then we can say whatever we want, and it doesn't matter how we say it (beyond our own standards of polite).
But when we are trying to convince, people aren’t going to listen if they feel more attacked than valued. It’s all about relationship, I think. If you care about someone, because you feel affection or respect or both for him/her, you’re more likely to listen to what s/he says. If you don’t feel either of those things, then you’ll listen if it’s interesting, but you have no particular impetus to agree. Therefore, if we really want to change someone’s mind, we need to do something to interest him/her or to make him/her like us or respect us. It helps to have a previous positive relationship—people’s minds are more often changed by friends than by strangers. But in either case, it won’t work to just tell people they’re wrong without giving them a reason to care what we say.
This is all a little discouraging, and it makes the idea in some ways less fun—it feels really good to really zing someone in an argument. But there’s a lot that needs to change in order to reach racial equality, and in the end, I’d rather win the war than the flame-war.
--R
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Date: 2007-08-08 07:54 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-09 05:01 pm (UTC)Basically, he talks about how being part of the mob is fun. He says:
"Being morally outraged at something is so fucking tasty, honestly. But not tasty in the mouth. Tasty in the soul instead. It's the spiritual equivalent of a hot grilled cheeseburger."
He then goes on to say that we live our lives uncertain of many things, and there are so many gray areas in life, but moral outrage allows us to feel confident that we are "unambiguously right." Expressing that in public as part of an outraged mob supports us and confirms us in this feeling.
And when we are morally outraged (and unambiguously right) our anger is righteous, and therefore any actions we take, and anything we say in support of our cause is also right, and is for the good of the world.
It allows us to feel that we're DOING something, something purposeful.
And I think that is why we go looking for "people being stupid." Because if we (along with others) are right, and that person is wrong, and we tell them how wrong we are, then we are engaged in purposeful, satisfying, ego-affirming action.
I will close with another of his gems:
"And you know what? That sort of attitude is the rankest sort of Fight Club macho-assed bullshit. It is seductive bullshit, but more importantly, it is bullshit. It is the kind of bullshit that makes people believe that compromise is a personal form of treason, that doing things that people hate is a sign of personal integrity. It is the kind of bullshit that is believed by the sort of people who confuse shouting "you suck!" with sounding one's barbaric yawp over the rooftops of the world."
Honestly, he doesn't swear that much in the rest of the post. I wonder what is says about me that the quotes with swearwords stick with me the most?
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Date: 2007-08-09 06:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2007-08-08 07:55 pm (UTC)I think we tend to forget a lot of the things we know about dealing with other people as soon as politics gets involved, and it is not best. I don't think the rules change because we are talking about race instead of, say, watercolor painting or a mutual acquaintance.
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Date: 2007-08-07 08:35 pm (UTC)I really, really dislike this redefinition of the word "racism" and have ever since I first heard it (late 1980s? Early 1990s?) As far as I can tell it was coined by people to make it so that only people who are conventionally-labeled "white" can be racist. Which is, to be polite, utter bullshit.
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Date: 2007-08-08 01:12 pm (UTC)The definition I prefer for racism is: a system of advantage based on race. From there it is possible to talk about structural racism and how it differs from individual racism.
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Date: 2007-08-08 01:31 pm (UTC)But that's not what the word racism means, nor is it what the word racism has historically meant and I find that particular redefinition of the word to be socially destructive because it releases people from the responsibility to look after their own prejudices.
What we SHOULD be doing as a society is saying, "discrimination based on prejudice is wrong"[1] and "we want every member of society to succeed, regardless of their background"
[1] Discrimination based on experience is fine by me. If someone is an incompetent architect, I don't want them designing buildings. If someone's a crap programmer, I don't want them on my team at work.
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Date: 2007-08-08 01:41 pm (UTC)While blaming you personally would be a mistake, it is still the case that there is a legacy of those actions taken by others, and that legacy affects how we all live today. So while you might not be responsible for what happened, you are responsible for how you deal with the advantages that go along with that legacy. Put another way, it's not what happened, it's what you do about it.
...which misses out entirely on the structural character of racism. Most people will vehemently deny being prejudiced, but not see how racism has structured our interactions and our institutions. Eduardo Bonilla-Silva talks about this in his very worthwhile book, Racism Without Racists (http://www.amazon.com/Racism-without-Racists-Color-Blind-Persistence/dp/0742546861/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-0692053-3032942?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186580310&sr=8-1).
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Date: 2007-08-08 07:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-08 08:06 pm (UTC)I can see why you'd want to use the word "racism" to mean "prejudice/discrimination based on race," because we don't really have another word that means that. But I also think it's useful to have some word-- suggestions I've heard have been "institutionalized racism," or, in America, just plain "White racism"-- to show that there really is a difference between discrimination with power behind it and discrimination without.
Let me give an example. In the school where I worked last year, there was plenty of prejudice between different people of color-- Black kids vs Latino kids, Puerto Rican kids vs. Dominican kids, African-American kids vs. kids who recently immigrated from Africa, etc.,-- and it led to some fights. But it didn't have nearly as great an impact on people's lives as did the racism of the people who made decisions about school budgets which meant that we couldn't afford math textbooks. They're both arguably racism-- but one has power behind it, and that's the one that really made people's lives hard.
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Date: 2007-08-08 09:28 pm (UTC)Nor do we need one, really. That's what racism means. If you want a new term for racism-plus-power-to-enforce, then that's fine.
I tend to like "institutional racism" as a term, because it IS color-blind. (Hazel Dukes and OTB comes to mind, although I don't know how that actually came out).
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Date: 2007-08-09 05:16 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-09 08:55 pm (UTC)And it DOES matter because it's wrong in both cases.
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Date: 2007-08-09 09:17 pm (UTC)1) treating people badly based on their race is bad no matter who you are, and
2) in America, right now, White people do more harm to people of color than vice-versa?
Because if we can agree to those things, then any argument becomes just a matter of wrangling word-choice, and, in my opinion, kinda moot.
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Date: 2007-08-07 08:57 pm (UTC)That said, my personal experience was that "anti-racist education," which I first encountered in college, was the first time I started to learn to think about black people differently than white people. I think that was not the point.
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Date: 2007-08-08 08:00 pm (UTC)Was your feeling that it was totally useless, or were there parts that were okay? Could it have been done better?
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Date: 2007-08-08 08:37 pm (UTC)But before diversity education, my attitude was that judging people by the color of their skin was as silly as judging by them whether or not they have freckles, and it was something I don't think I would have seriously considered doing. A few years later, I found myself very naturally judging people by their skin color and deciding how to talk to them with that fact being part of the criteria. I think that's a big step backward.
Now, it's possible that other factors were involved. For example, there just weren't that many black people in the suburb where I grew up, and those there were had been educated in the same schools I had, talked the same way white people did and about the same things, socialized normally with white people, had the same body language, and so on. In Boston, I encountered a lot more black people who talked differently, used different body language, went about in exclusively-black groups and seemed to be deliberately not only isolating themselves from everyone else but actively trying to look scary. It worked. But why did I learn to tend to associate that with skin color, when I had not previously associated anything with skin color, rather than, say, certain accents, or cargo pants? I do feel that part of the reason was that, at around the same time, I was being taught "It's normal to think about black people differently than you think about white people, and sometimes you should."
It's also been suggested that I was unconsciously prejudiced before, and diversity education just made me conscious of something I had previous been unaware of. I can't prove that isn't true, but that seems to be making the implicit assumption that it's impossible to be a non-racist white person. Need I bother to state all the things I think are wrong with that assumption?
I can believe that in the case of a person who is already accustomed to thinking of black people as inferior to white people, diversity education might be helpful. But in the case of someone who is not, I think it is actively counterproductive, and I don't think there's any way to make it productive. I think the whole concept is flawed. Any time you start talking about "black people" and "white people" as different categories - even if it's only to try to tell people not to! - it reinforces the idea that they *are* different categories. Isn't the point to get people to stop doing that?
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Date: 2007-08-09 05:33 am (UTC)Well... no, I don't think it is. Because we are different, and I think there are lots of good things about being Black, the same way there are lots of good things about being, say, Jewish (food, humor, the expressiveness of Yiddish, etc.). Saying something is different isn't inherently a value judgment. I mean, tech support people are different from psychologists, but that doesn't mean one is better than the other-- just that they have different good qualities. (grin)
So, no, I don't think there's anything wrong with seeing people of different races and ethnic groups as being different. (Though yeah, it's a mistake to assume that everyone in the group has all the qualities associated with that group (some Jews wouldn't know how to cook a latke if you paid them)). I think the problem is when you see members of that group as not just different, but inherently not as good as you because of the group they belong to. That's when it goes from appreciating diversity (which is fun) to racism (which is not). But until you cross that line, I really don't see what's wrong with it.
I think you raise some tough, middle-ground grey area distinctions there. Does it make sense to try to distinguish between "seeing difference" and "seeing badness," or not so much?
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Date: 2007-08-09 09:18 pm (UTC)What I MEANT to say is that you should see people as individuals. Sure, some cultures may have certain broad defining features that may differ from others, but that's not the same as those differences being "bad" (for some value of "bad").
It makes a great deal of sense to distinguish between "bad" and "different"
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Date: 2007-08-15 03:16 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-08-20 02:08 am (UTC)This is why I pretty much no longer discuss race with white people, and ask my white friends to step in for me.
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